Podcast: How One Man Is Smuggling Bibles into India (Amir)

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Matt Tully
Thanks a lot for becoming a member of me at present on The Crossway Podcast.

Amir
Thanks for having me. Thanks a lot.

Matt Tully
You do plenty of actually wonderful work all through the nation of India, and I’m excited to debate all of that in a couple of minutes right here. However I wished to begin by simply speaking about India itself first. Earlier than our interview at present, you requested that I not use your full title and the title of the group that you just work with. I simply marvel should you may share a little bit bit extra why that’s.

Amir
The explanation for that’s as a result of the scenario in India for Christians, Christian church buildings, Christian ministries will not be good in any respect. There may be plenty of hostility in direction of preaching the gospel and folks coming to know Christ. As a Christian church, we’re persecuted in India closely at present. Many individuals say it has grow to be probably the most persecuted locations on this planet at present. The persecution is available in other ways. We’re persecuted by way of buildings—church buildings being destroyed. Our personal ministry constructing was destroyed two years in the past, knocked down. And so it’s a bodily persecution. There are additionally plenty of amendments to structure legal guidelines which makes it troublesome for Christian ministry to exist. And in addition we now have to offer a lot reporting to the federal government by way of what we do, what we don’t do. And within the latest previous, they’ve additionally canceled what we name the FCRA in India, which is the license to obtain international funding. Most Christian ministries have misplaced that within the final one or two years, so they don’t seem to be in a position to obtain international funding to proceed the ministry of what they’ve been doing. Not simply that. In India at present, particularly in North India, numerous Christian missionaries and pastors have misplaced their lives only for the sake of sharing the gospel. Proper in entrance of my very own eyes I’ve seen legs being damaged, fingers being damaged, individuals put into jail. We’ve so many Christian pastors in jail at present simply because they only shared the gospel with anyone or distributed a New Testomony or a Bible. So the scenario in India for Christians will not be simple as of late.

Matt Tully
Has it gotten worse in the previous few years or the final a long time?

Amir
Sure. Really, we now have had a Hindu fanatic authorities for the final ten years, and since they got here to energy issues have been getting worse and worse. Normally our electoral phrases are for 5 years. The primary 5 years, they have been simply attempting what they may do to cease Christians. Within the second 5 years, they’ve actually made it troublesome for Christian ministry to do something or proceed the ministry of what they’ve been doing. However within the final two or three years, they’ve canceled the licenses of so many Christian ministries, some massive ones. I don’t wish to title these right here, however some massive ones have misplaced their licenses as nicely.

Matt Tully
That’s shocking to me. I believe after we in America consider international locations that may be a little bit bit hostile or very hostile to Christianity, India simply hasn’t been on my radar as a major place the place that will be the case. Have you ever discovered that to be true as you’ve talked with Individuals and different individuals residing within the West? Have they been shocked by the hostility that the Indian Christians face?

Amir
Sure. That has been true for the previous few years. I believe most individuals within the US don’t understand the type of persecution that is occurring in India as a result of the federal government tried to current it as a authorities which takes care of all religions. And plenty of instances they encourage the Hindu fanatic teams to go and destroy or assault Christian ministries. However from the entrance, they are saying what they did will not be proper. However from behind, they’re supporting them, financing them, they’re serving to them, and none of them e-book a case towards them or something like that. However Within the latest one or two years, many Christians within the US, particularly ministry leaders, are realizing this, and they’re calling it as probably the most persecuted international locations. I’ve seen studies of ministries within the US who’re saying now how troublesome they’re discovering it. So the Christians within the US don’t actually understand the true issue that the Christian church in India goes via, however slowly they’re changing into conscious of it.

Matt Tully
Inform us a little bit bit extra and paint an image of how giant the church is in India. What number of Christians are there? What proportion of the inhabitants, roughly, would that make up?

Amir
In response to the Indian authorities statistics, we’re about 2.7 to 2.9 % Christians. However in actuality, most individuals imagine it is going to be about 5 to six % Christians in India. Now, even should you Simply take 3 % of 1.4 billion, that’s almost 30 million Christians in India. So there may be a lot of Christians in India as a result of there are lots of people who’ve come to know Christ from what we name in India as low caste Hindus, scheduled caste, scheduled tribes. And with regards to statistics, they don’t change their faith from Hindu to Christianity as a result of they lose all advantages. So although they’re Christians, within the data they are going to be nonetheless proven as Hindus with a view to get the advantages that the Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribes get. So I’d imagine anyplace between 5 to six % Christians in India, however the authorities statistics is about 2.7 to 2.9 % Christians.

Matt Tully
Are church buildings in a position to meet publicly in any method or context? I do know in China there’s a government-approved Christian Church that may do some issues. Is that the case in India, or is all of it underground?

Amir
Not likely. In India, constitutionally, we now have the fitting to fulfill collectively as a Christian church. There isn’t any drawback in assembly collectively, however that doesn’t imply there isn’t any assault. There may be the permission from the structure that lets you meet collectively publicly and worship Christ, however you might be attacked by a mob. What occurs is that in a lot of the small cities and rural areas, the agricultural church buildings, or the small church buildings, they have no idea all of the compliance points to attempting to get a license to fulfill or to have a church registered. And most of them simply come collectively as a small fellowship group and worship. And the Hindu fanatic teams use that as an excuse to assault them. And most of the church buildings, even when they’ve a license and they’re allow to fulfill, they only come as a mob and simply assault them.

Matt Tully
Inform us a little bit bit about the way you turned a Christian. Did you develop up in a Christian house with Christian dad and mom?

Amir
No. My mom was a Christian. She had come to know Christ via Swedish missionaries who had come and planted a church in our village. However I got here to know Christ once I was finding out to grow to be a medical physician. I had come to some extent the place I had stated there isn’t any God, and I used to be doing nicely in my research and I used to be doing nicely by way of funds. My dad was a businessman. We have been doing nicely. However my mom at all times prayed that in the future I’d come to know Christ and that I’d go into ministry. One summer season vacation once I went to our hometown from my medical school, that’s when the native church invited me for a gathering. I didn’t wish to go, really. I used to be at one in every of our outlets sitting on the money desk, however the native pastor from my mom’s church got here and invited me. And I stated, “Look, I don’t wish to come for any Christian conferences.”

Matt Tully
What was your impression of Christians on the time?

Amir
I believed it was for Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe individuals.

Matt Tully
What does that imply—Scheduled Caste?

Amir
That’s what we name the decrease caste in India. Hindu faith has varied castes—like Brahman and Higher Caste—and so they have 4 fundamental castes. Then there’s a decrease caste. Most Christians who’ve come to know Christ are from that background as a result of that’s the place the ministry is focus—within the rural space, tribal space, and folks have come to know Christ. And then again, I felt I don’t want God. I’m doing nicely in my research. I’m doing nicely in my funds. I actually didn’t assume I wanted God. However anyway, to chop the story quick, I went for that assembly. My dad was the one who informed me to go the second day. He stated, “Look, the pastor got here and invited you the primary day. You didn’t go. Second day, he has come. You go.

Matt Tully
Out of respect for him?

Amir
Out of respect, as a result of we respect older individuals in India. I went there, I accepted Christ, and I went into ministry. My dad was so upset as a result of he was not a Christian. He had spent some huge cash on my medical schooling. For 2 years he didn’t enable me to return house. For 2 years he stated, “No, you’ll be able to’t come again house.” After two years, my mom satisfied him that I would like to return again house. And once I went again house, I stated, “Dad, it was all of your mistake as a result of I didn’t wish to go for that assembly, and it was you who informed me to go.” Anyway, once I got here to know Christ, I joined a Christian ministry for 3 months of summer season holidays, and three months turned six months, 9 months. I ended up with that ministry for 24 years.

Matt Tully
Whenever you have been in a position to come again house, when your father allowed that after a few years, have been you in a position to reestablish that relationship with him to some extent?

Amir
Sure, I did, but it surely took a very long time for him to return to know Christ. It was in direction of the top of his life. In truth, he got here to stick with us as soon as we misplaced our mom, and by then he had grow to be a Christian. He actually appreciated the truth that I used to be in ministry, as a result of by then he realized how necessary it was.

Matt Tully
How did he grow to be a Christian? Was it via your mom or others in his life?

Amir
By way of my mom. And by then all the kids had come to know Christ. We’re six siblings. All of us had come to know Christ simply by seeing the change in our life, and it had introduced him to Christ. The day he died, he was fasting all day, praying, and simply slipped into God’s presence.

Matt Tully
That’s stunning. What an attractive story. Quick forwarding a couple of a long time, an enormous focus of your ministry work at present is caring for youngsters. And I’m wondering should you may simply share a little bit bit extra about the way you began working with youngsters particularly, after which what that ministry has grown into at present.

Amir
Really it began in June 2007. An area pastor introduced two women who have been left on the streets to our home that morning and requested if each me and my spouse can be keen to maintain them. They have been nine- and seven-years-old. And the rationale why he introduced them was he had heard me someplace sharing that I’ve a coronary heart for youngsters. The explanation for that’s the Swedish missionaries who had led my mom to the Lord have been those one who despatched me to high school in a metropolis, and I used to be educated there. They’d taken sixteen from my village and educated sixteen of us. Out of sixteen, fifteen of us are in ministry at present. And I at all times had a want, because the Lord enabled us, I wish to assist sixteen youngsters. And so when this pastor introduced these two women to us, we didn’t have a corporation and we didn’t have any setup. I used to be working because the Asia director, and my spouse was heading up a big Christian ladies’s ministry. We didn’t know what to do when these women have been delivered to us, however we additionally knew in the event that they’re left on the streets, they may quickly be trafficked into intercourse commerce. So we determined to take these two women into our house that day. My spouse resigned her job to maintain them, and I continued to work for 2 extra years. And our objective at the moment was to take sixteen youngsters. I stated, “We don’t want to ascertain a corporation or something. We will maintain them our personal wage.” In order that’s what we initially thought and determined to try this. However the two women grew. By the top of first yr, we had sixteen. Quickly we had eighteen. By the top of second yr, we had thirty by then. Then then I needed to resign to maintain them. And at present we now have over 2,000 youngsters below our varied applications and below our care.

Matt Tully
Two thousand youngsters. Wow. I’m considering again on that second yr the place you bought as much as thirty youngsters. What have been you doing? The place have been all of them staying? Was it simply in your house?

Amir
No. We rented a small home within the second yr that would accommodate eighteen to twenty youngsters. We began with my spouse being there, and we employed one or two workers to maintain them. Really, by the second yr, our ministry began rising not only for youngsters, as a result of we realized if we actually are to empower these youngsters, we additionally should empower the one mothers. So we began a skills-training program for them. Really, at present we prepare about 1,300 younger women and boys in abilities coaching. We’ve seventeen government-certified programs that we prepare in. Out of those 1,300 are 200 women rescued from intercourse trafficking and temple prostitution. So we prepare about 1,300 women and younger boys yearly. In truth, we’re probably the greatest technical institutes in South India at present, awarded by the federal government. So second yr was a rented home, and by the third yr we had our personal constructing. And it was attention-grabbing as a result of it was not Christians. The native Lions Membership noticed what we have been doing and so they constructed the constructing for us—the primary campus.

Matt Tully
So that you have been assembly an actual, sensible, ever-present want in your group in doing that. You talked about that these two younger women who have been first delivered to your door would have most likely ended up in intercourse trafficking should you hadn’t introduced them in, and also you now work with ladies who’re popping out of that as nicely. However you additionally talked about temple prostitution. I believe these of us within the US would most likely be much less aware of what that’s. How do younger women discover themselves in that scenario?

Amir
As for the ladies trafficked into intercourse commerce, it occurs via some ways. Within the rural space, plenty of dad and mom live in poverty, and the traffickers go there promising good jobs for the younger women, after which they take them to Mumbai or Hyderabad within the title of giving them an excellent job. And eventually they find yourself trafficked into intercourse commerce. Or a younger man goes there and says, “I’ll marry the daughter with out taking any dowry.” A dowry is one thing which they provide. They take them to town after which they’re trafficked into intercourse commerce. Generally, sadly, it’s their very own dad and mom who promote out of the poverty. They promote them to traffickers for a sure amount of cash, and so they find yourself within the intercourse commerce. There are plenty of causes, but it surely may very well be their uncles, aunts. I’ve had instances of the place aunts have cheated on these women and brought them and offered them. It’s a dad who’s hooked on alcohol, not having the ability to have the funds for, who sells, knowingly or unknowingly, their daughters to intercourse commerce. In order that’s so far as intercourse commerce is anxious. Whereas temple prostitution in India is practiced by sure individuals teams. There’s a sure individuals group known as as Joginis. They’re taught within the Hindu faith that God has made you to fulfill the temple priest and people who come within the temple. They imagine that’s what God has created them for, or that’s what they’re being taught.

Matt Tully
They’re being brainwashed to imagine that.

Amir
Brainwashed. And so, together with the boys, they’re inspired to enter temple prostitution. Mainly they’re there assembly the wants of the temple priest and individuals who come to the temple. However now there are plenty of younger women who’re rebelling towards the system. I went to a sure place in 2012 I believe, and that’s when God laid a burden on my coronary heart to begin this work for trafficked women. And these have been women from a temple city. And I used to be assembly with this individuals group, Jogini, and the younger women got here to me and stated, “Sir, will you please rescue us? Something or anyplace you’ll be able to take us, however in some way rescue us. We don’t wish to go into this.” And I used to be placing this away. I stated, “Look, I’m already taking good care of 2,000 youngsters. I’m doing a skills-training program. We’ve loads on our plate.” However the Lord saved placing this burden on my coronary heart day after day. Lastly, via a narrative of rescuing one woman, and that’s an extended story, we received into it and we began rescuing these younger women from the temple cities. And at present yearly we’re rescuing about 200 women. They grow to be a part of our skills-training program. They stick with us for 9 months, and we give them government-certified abilities. Then we now have job interviews on our campus. As soon as they get the roles, they transfer out of our campuses. However we’re rescuing about 200 women. That features each the intercourse trafficking and the ladies from temple prostitution.

Matt Tully
I’m simply struck that it seems like poverty is a typical thread or underlying difficulty that always results in this.

Amir
Primarily poverty, then marriage, as a result of the dad and mom will not be in a position to pay the dowry. The opposite one is younger males coming and saying to the dad and mom, “Look, I’m working in so and so, I’ve an excellent job, I can marry your daughter with out taking any dowry.”

Matt Tully
“I can present an excellent future for her.”

Amir
Yeah. And even they marry them, however for the sake of trafficking.

Matt Tully
That’s horrible. You talked about a minute in the past that while you turned a Christian, you have been kicked out of your own home. I do know that a part of your ministry at present additionally entails caring for brand new converts to Christianity from Hinduism or Islam who’ve been ostracized by their very own communities, kicked out of their very own houses as nicely. Are you able to inform us a little bit bit about that work that you just’re doing?

Amir
All of it occurred in 2011. A younger man walked into my workplace. He was extremely educated. He had his grasp’s diploma. He was a really rich man. He got here to my workplace and stated, “Sir, I wish to examine the Bible.” So I requested him what occurred. He stated he had come to know Christ a few yr in the past or one thing, and he had completed his masters, and he began sharing the gospel along with his pals and his household. And the dad and mom informed him, “You may have two choices. Both you share your gospel and be kicked out of the home, otherwise you quit your religion. Then you’ll be able to keep right here and inherit the property.” They have been fairly wealthy individuals. This brother determined that he doesn’t need the property. He wished to share the gospel. Then they stated, “You’ll have to depart the home immediately.” So he simply left the home with the garments he was sporting. He went to many Bible schools asking for admission, and no person may give him admission as a result of he had no certificates, no cash. And other people have been fearful whether or not he’s looking for out particulars in regards to the Bible school.

Matt Tully
Like a spy.

Amir
Like a spy. So anyone informed him, “There may be an workplace there. Are you able to go there? Possibly they may have the ability to assist.” So he walked into my workplace and he stated, “Sir, I wish to examine the Bible.” I stated, “I don’t have a Bible school.” When he informed me the story, I stated, “Look, I don’t have a Bible school, however I’ve two evangelism groups. You possibly can stick with them for six months, if you wish to, till you discover one thing to do.” So he stayed with our evangelism crew and was doing evangelism. That’s when the Lord put a burden on my coronary heart to maintain younger women and men who’ve come to know Christ from Hindu or Muslim background. And if they’re kicked out of their home, I stated I wish to give them not less than shelter for one yr. As a result of the primary yr is essentially the most troublesome yr as a result of the church buildings don’t settle for them. Households don’t settle for them. Folks have a look at them as spies. They don’t know the place to go, what to do. We’ve numerous companies as nicely which maintain our ministry operational prices. I stated I’ll maintain ten to 12 younger women and men who’re kicked out of their house. So we began that. And within the first yr, I had twelve younger individuals.

Matt Tully
Twelve.

Amir
Twelve. Once they got here, I stated, “No, I don’t wish to preserve them quiet. Let’s educate them church planting and ship them again to their very own group to plant a church.” And together with church planting, I may even prepare them as an electrician, a welder, a pc software program man, a nursing assistant—we now have all these programs, like paramedics programs—in order that once they go there, they’ve a motive to go to the group and so they have an revenue to maintain themselves. So we began coaching these younger individuals in church planting and giving them abilities and sending them again.

Matt Tully
Sending missionaries again to their very own house city.

Amir
Sure. Not as a church planter, not as a pastor. They go there as an electrician in order that they’ve an entry and they don’t seem to be kicked out. However then additionally they have an avenue to have some revenue. And so since then we’ve been coaching younger individuals from 2011. Yearly we’re coaching about forty-eight to fifty younger individuals and sending them. We’ve greater than 200 church buildings established via them now.

Matt Tully
That’s an amazing segue into how the Bible matches into all of this work that you just’re doing. We’ve solely hit on a couple of areas of the actually giant scope that your ministry and group is engaged on. What position does God’s phrase play in that work? I do know it’s a must to be very cautious about how a lot you discuss in regards to the Bible, the way you publicize your connection to Christianity and God’s phrase. How does that combine?

Amir
There’s a nice want for Bibles in India. Once they consider India, they assume, Okay, there are solely only a few Christians. However as I stated, 3 % of 1.4 or 1.5 billion is lots of people. My work in Bible distribution began way back to 1990. That’s once I first got here to know Christian Booksellers Affiliation (CBA) right here. At the moment, we had solely the Good Information English Bible in India. No NIV, no ESV.

Matt Tully
So only one English translation?

Amir
One English translation. And I noticed the necessity. And I got here to the US publishers and I stated, “India wants Bibles. Are you able to promote me the Bibles?” No person wished to ship me. That was on the Atlanta CBA. I stated, “I’m not asking for credit score. I’ll pay you the cash, however India wants Bibles.” No person wished to offer. They stated, “It’s too problematic. We don’t wish to promote Bibles to India.” And a buddy of mine, who was a big distributor within the UK, stated, “I’ll purchase for you and ship.” I stated no. I went into the restroom. I cried earlier than the Lord that day and I stated, “Lord, India wants Bibles. Ensure in the future these publishers come after me.” And I didn’t purchase any Bibles. I went again to India. I fasted and prayed. I received my crew to wish. I researched and came upon when is the bottom season the US publishers are searching for gross sales. I came upon it was in March, and I received my crew to quick and pray for one week. I got here right here the subsequent yr in March. I went straight to Nashville, and went to a number of the publishers. One explicit writer there, I walked into their warehouse. They’d three forty-foot container a great deal of Bibles which was not even of their stock. I began negotiating, negotiating, received them at an excellent value—90 % low cost. I stated, “I’ll take all of them. India wants Bibles. Give me the Bibles.” And even with that low cost, throughout that yr, 1990, it got here to 1 million US {dollars}. And my group informed me, “You’re going to sink the entire group.” I stated, “Belief me! India wants Bibles.” And also you gained’t imagine it. These three forty-foot containers got here, and we offered 50 % of them in fifteen days and made the cash. And that was the primary time we launched different Bibles to the Indian market. There’s a nice starvation. Final yr we distributed 700,000 Bibles. After COVID, the younger professionals, the faculty college students are desirous to learn English Bibles. There’s a nice demand for English Bibles. India is hungry for Bibles. Sure, there may be opposition. And possibly the opposition is due to this starvation, as a result of younger individuals are looking for for reality and the individuals are looking for reality. And that’s why the opposition is rising as a result of the Hindu fanatics imagine in the event that they don’t include it quickly, India will grow to be a Christian nation or one thing like that. However there may be nice starvation, nice demand for Bibles.

Matt Tully
How do you incorporate Bible educating and bible literacy into a few of these trades programs and certificates that you just present? Do you discover methods to include Bible examine into that?

Amir
Sure. We do morning devotions with them for all the scholars, and for many who keep on the campus there are morning and night devotions. After which we do a one-day retreat the place we present a Jesus film, or one Christian film, which is a really clear gospel-oriented film. After which we give a brief gospel message, and we invite them to just accept Christ. And through the course, we usher in individuals who have come to know Christ from Hindu and Muslim backgrounds to share their testimony in order that they see their very own individuals and the way they’ve come to know Christ. And we give a Bible as a commencement present. Earlier we simply gave it to all people. At present we inform them, due to the persecution, we are saying, “Within the again there are Bibles saved. Those that need, you’ll be able to take. Those that don’t need, don’t take.” Ninety 5 % of them take it. We’re not forcing them, however they’ve a chance to take. We see anyplace between 270 to 290 younger individuals come to know Christ, and each forty-five days we do a baptism of sixteen or seventeen younger individuals, all from non-Christian backgrounds. First era Christians. I’ve constructed a baptism tank proper into my campus to baptize them. It’s dangerous, it’s arduous, however that’s what God has known as us to do.

Matt Tully
How do you really get them the Bibles that you should hand out? The 700,000 Bibles you distributed final yr, how do you get them into the nation within the context the place the federal government is towards you and more and more watching?

Amir
We usher in Bibles each from the US and in addition the native language Bibles from the native Bible suppliers. However the English Bibles, after we carry them in, we don’t carry it as a basis or as a belief. We’ve our personal enterprise. We deal with that as a enterprise entity, and we do this as a enterprise. We’re importing books for provides.

Matt Tully
Simply generic books.

Amir
Yeah, generic books for distribution. So in the event that they cease us as a enterprise importing books, they should cease different enterprise as nicely. Sadly, within the final yr they’ve launched obligation on the books.

Matt Tully
Tax.

Amir
Yeah, tax. Earlier we didn’t have tax on any books we imported. At present we pay 17 % tax on it. That will increase the value. However that is the place I actually wish to thank Crossway for offering Bibles to believers who’ve come to know Christ just lately. And particularly the church version, what you simply have given to us. We’re in a position to give it to lots of and hundreds of younger individuals within the school. They prefer it. Particularly after COVID there’s a nice demand. For younger professionals we do applications within the company homes, particularly throughout Easter and Christmas, and we distribute these Bibles. And we’re very grateful for Crossway in making that obtainable. Now, that’s so far as distribution is anxious, however we additionally promote it to the Christians. I at all times believed Christians, in the event that they wish to learn God’s phrase, they should be keen to pay for it and pay a little bit additional, and the additional goes in direction of the evangelistic materials or evangelism and people type of issues. So there’s a nice demand, each with the Christians, they want it, they’re asking for it, and there may be additionally an amazing starvation among the many non-Christians, particularly among the many younger individuals.

Matt Tully
Thanks a lot for giving us this perception into the unbelievable work that you just and I do know many, many individuals working with you, many Christians sacrificially working in very troublesome conditions to see the gospel exit in India and see individuals cared for. I’m wondering if as a remaining query, how may we within the US and overseas be praying for you and your loved ones and your ministry particularly?

Amir
I’d actually admire it if the Christians right here in us pray for cover of Indian Christians. Safety by way of bodily safety. After I turned a Christian, I went round doing open air evangelism. I had no concern. We used to do eight to 9 open airs each day, the place we gave New Testaments, and I hardly had any opposition. At present I can’t even do one open air. I’ll be attacked instantly. I can’t distribute tracts on the streets of India anymore. We’re attacked even within the first hour itself. So pray for bodily safety. Safety of church buildings, as a result of they’re knocked down, they’re burnt down. And safety of Christian employees. They’re killed. They’re being brutally harm. Pray for cover. And in addition safety by way of freedom to proceed to evangelise the gospel, as a result of the legal guidelines are amended, international funding is restricted. As a result of many Indian Christian ministries trusted international funding, now when it’s restricted, their fingers are tied and so they’re not in a position to do what they’ve been doing. So pray that safety from all this tightening will finish. So safety bodily, safety by way of compliance points and legal guidelines which might be being modified, and simply the liberty to evangelise the gospel. And the opposite factor I’d actually admire is that if the Christians right here can pray that we are going to be daring. I do know most Christians in India live in concern at present. Christian ministries live in concern at present. Pray for boldness, braveness, in order that we are able to proceed to do what God has known as us to do until the day it’s unattainable. I don’t know the way lengthy this will probably be doable as a result of yearly the scenario is worsening. However so long as the Lord permits us, pray that God will give us power and boldness to proceed to do what we’re doing. So we actually admire your prayers in these areas.

Matt Tully
Thanks a lot on your time at present.

Amir
Thanks. Thanks for having me.

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